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(talking about NN)

and if it is the closest to having it. It's for me and the aloris is having something other is having a real other to work with it it feels like the closest the closest I can get to actually writing software myself that will be something I have to kind

00:00:30 approaches an alien I don't know if that makes any sense but that but I how would you how would you concrete Lee can you describe a concrete a situation in which you were kind of facing this I don't know because that's kind of like adjust your kind of how you imagine that's how it looks like what it would attract you do it I haven't actually

00:01:00 what actually happened to see that's that's that's makes it a research question was describing a little bit what what he thinks might be is actually interesting part of the neuron that works construction station immediately was that this came out of a specific experiment or something

00:01:30 dude it was odd because it sounded so kind of plastic like the most famous example is is the alphago neural network that was generating moves and go that none of the Grandmasters could make any sense out of and yet still these moves led to potentially Victory any of the Grandmasters were saying like all this is completely alien this looks like this this thing is playing from another planet

00:02:00 and yet we still winning these games so that kind of that idea of interacting with an alien and somehow being able to actually can create the alien there's something very attractive about that it just reminds me a little bit of the this year's I want off the key notes from the Xbox conference this year was a guy Mario killing a man is supposed to German

00:02:30 artist that works with this image convolution whatever you're on that works and he was bringing he was showing a lot a lot a lot a lot of examples of this kind of hybrid stuff that comes out of this neural networks when you feed them this kind of whatever, he experimented with different corpuses of images that kind of feet than at work on your desk so I for me that's what kind of 

00:03:00 similar in the windows what's something that probably many people would describe a little Estes alien quality of how the disciple images were created in the sense that there's something really odd about some choices or something you know like something's weird about how the potteries are constructed but then the something also happened that in the sense that that's kind of fish

00:03:30 I think that I don't know I don't want to predict it by predicting the way that it is supposed to follow the little bit by a certain frustration over sounds are not supposed to Russian how to say in English which one of these untranslatable sorry kind of sobering sobering moment when you realize I mean is it maybe something 

00:04:00 appear alien at the first point but then somehow they become a pattern then I wish that I had the feeling that I have to always to feeling with the with the people that work with the new one that was to create images that at first that's really creepy the way that figures are combined or produce and it's really like nobody would probably not even hi Akiko whoever would kind of make a pottery in this kind of

00:04:30 a penis for example but then somehow by looking at it again and you start to notice that this black box is still black box but still it's not salt not so alien in that way anymore it's you it's very specific and that's that's of course always is known that works at the new train for such a specific for me the point where I think that in a way  

00:05:00 maybe not so interesting to have a black for about the black boxes interesting at the first Pacific stage but then I don't know if it's just if that's enough to have the black box or whether whether it's more interesting what that Ben and Tails and what that kind of enables that they so this so the interaction between the strange thing and you that that's what because it is raining and not just the thing The Undefeated and produce something like that 

00:05:30 this robot robot arm that market in a room I just made this I think it's called amygdala and it completely uncanny I saw him recently do a performance with it yet it's very strange it's very sweet of the way it moves is very very strange but uncanny is the word it's it's familiar and some sense like maybe this is same with the the images but there's something very 

00:06:00 wrong about it and this like uncanniness is very interesting to try to kind of relate to it and know that there's something I have some connection to this thing like I can relate to this thing somehow but also I can't relate to this thing and I think this is like this sense of other Nest that's very interesting to to play with one one project a i d I still have floating around is that I want to actually want to build thick small robotic 

00:06:30 cultures like this but build some kind of I don't know like a data-gathering orb or something like that and bring it out into certain natural environments and allow it to learn from these environments and then somehow try to whatever model it creates tried to kind of like 3 replicate this model and some kind of like an activating robotic arm or or something like this 

00:07:00 yeah I have something I kind of learned in a certain environment and then sort of tries to enact what it's learned in a in a different environment and then again it's about this experience is like okay well now how do I relate to this thing and what it's doing I don't know I was thinking a lot about these motion studies that were done in there in the early 20th century where they were looking at it was made mainly for kind of factory analysis in a sentence that they would look 

00:07:30 you know how does a mermaid make a bed you know when they will put Elliot like lights on her arms and they would do a long exposure photograph and you would see the Motions in the room with it this one motion and exploring how a person does this one motion I think it's kind of interesting in terms of maybe something Explorer with neural networks and if yeah it doesn't it doesn't even have to be a physical motion and could be like a Sonic gestures 

00:08:00 and like that like exploring all the possible iterations in the combat uncanny iterations of a specific Sonic gesture or of spoken language in this comes back to maybe like the wavenet stuff I maybe go just one phrase and you do every possible think uncanny iteration of that phrase I mean s a piece that might be right that might be really nice we got to do something with this uncanniness I think this is what what the attraction 

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Experimentalstudio meeting, 05_11_2018

Jonathan Reus, Hanns Holger Rutz, Daniele Pozzi

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and if it is the closest to having it. It's for me and the aloris is having something other is having a real other to work with it it feels like the closest the closest I can get to actually writing software myself that will be something I have to kind

00:00:30 approaches an alien I don't know if that makes any sense but that but I how would you how would you concrete Lee can you describe a concrete a situation in which you were kind of facing this I don't know because that's kind of like adjust your kind of how you imagine that's how it looks like what it would attract you do it I haven't actually

00:01:00 what actually happened to see that's that's that's makes it a research question was describing a little bit what what he thinks might be is actually interesting part of the neuron that works construction station immediately was that this came out of a specific experiment or something

00:01:30 dude it was odd because it sounded so kind of plastic like the most famous example is is the alphago neural network that was generating moves and go that none of the Grandmasters could make any sense out of and yet still these moves led to potentially Victory any of the Grandmasters were saying like all this is completely alien this looks like this this thing is playing from another planet

00:02:00 and yet we still winning these games so that kind of that idea of interacting with an alien and somehow being able to actually can create the alien there's something very attractive about that it just reminds me a little bit of the this year's I want off the key notes from the Xbox conference this year was a guy Mario killing a man is supposed to German

00:02:30 artist that works with this image convolution whatever you're on that works and he was bringing he was showing a lot a lot a lot a lot of examples of this kind of hybrid stuff that comes out of this neural networks when you feed them this kind of whatever, he experimented with different corpuses of images that kind of feet than at work on your desk so I for me that's what kind of 

00:03:00 similar in the windows what's something that probably many people would describe a little Estes alien quality of how the disciple images were created in the sense that there's something really odd about some choices or something you know like something's weird about how the potteries are constructed but then the something also happened that in the sense that that's kind of fish

00:03:30 I think that I don't know I don't want to predict it by predicting the way that it is supposed to follow the little bit by a certain frustration over sounds are not supposed to Russian how to say in English which one of these untranslatable sorry kind of sobering sobering moment when you realize I mean is it maybe something 

00:04:00 appear alien at the first point but then somehow they become a pattern then I wish that I had the feeling that I have to always to feeling with the with the people that work with the new one that was to create images that at first that's really creepy the way that figures are combined or produce and it's really like nobody would probably not even hi Akiko whoever would kind of make a pottery in this kind of

00:04:30 a penis for example but then somehow by looking at it again and you start to notice that this black box is still black box but still it's not salt not so alien in that way anymore it's you it's very specific and that's that's of course always is known that works at the new train for such a specific for me the point where I think that in a way  

00:05:00 maybe not so interesting to have a black for about the black boxes interesting at the first Pacific stage but then I don't know if it's just if that's enough to have the black box or whether whether it's more interesting what that Ben and Tails and what that kind of enables that they so this so the interaction between the strange thing and you that that's what because it is raining and not just the thing The Undefeated and produce something like that 

00:05:30 this robot robot arm that market in a room I just made this I think it's called amygdala and it completely uncanny I saw him recently do a performance with it yet it's very strange it's very sweet of the way it moves is very very strange but uncanny is the word it's it's familiar and some sense like maybe this is same with the the images but there's something very 

00:06:00 wrong about it and this like uncanniness is very interesting to try to kind of relate to it and know that there's something I have some connection to this thing like I can relate to this thing somehow but also I can't relate to this thing and I think this is like this sense of other Nest that's very interesting to to play with one one project a i d I still have floating around is that I want to actually want to build thick small robotic 

00:06:30 cultures like this but build some kind of I don't know like a data-gathering orb or something like that and bring it out into certain natural environments and allow it to learn from these environments and then somehow try to whatever model it creates tried to kind of like 3 replicate this model and some kind of like an activating robotic arm or or something like this 

00:07:00 yeah I have something I kind of learned in a certain environment and then sort of tries to enact what it's learned in a in a different environment and then again it's about this experience is like okay well now how do I relate to this thing and what it's doing I don't know I was thinking a lot about these motion studies that were done in there in the early 20th century where they were looking at it was made mainly for kind of factory analysis in a sentence that they would look 

00:07:30 you know how does a mermaid make a bed you know when they will put Elliot like lights on her arms and they would do a long exposure photograph and you would see the Motions in the room with it this one motion and exploring how a person does this one motion I think it's kind of interesting in terms of maybe something Explorer with neural networks and if yeah it doesn't it doesn't even have to be a physical motion and could be like a Sonic gestures 

00:08:00 and like that like exploring all the possible iterations in the combat uncanny iterations of a specific Sonic gesture or of spoken language in this comes back to maybe like the wavenet stuff I maybe go just one phrase and you do every possible think uncanny iteration of that phrase I mean s a piece that might be right that might be really nice we got to do something with this uncanniness I think this is what what the attraction